This week, Stephen Ibaraki, I.S.P., has an
exclusive follow-up interview with Randy Cassingham who continues to win
acclaim globally for his writings and unequalled contributions to the Internet
With a six-figure subscriber base in over
200 countries, Randy is author and publisher of the highly successful
newsletters and websites, This is True
(ThisIsTrue.com) and the True Stella
Awards (StellaAwards.com). He is
also the founder of HeroicStories (HeroicStories.com),
and The Spam Primer (SpamPrimer.com).
With a degree in journalism from
Californiaï¿½s Humboldt State University, Randy has explored a number of careers
including photographer, freelance writer (articles, fiction, and screenplays),
editor, publisher, paramedic, search and rescue sheriffï¿½s deputy, process
engineer, business consultant, software engineer, and speaker.
As an international expert of the Dvorak
Keyboard, Randy has served as a technical advisor to the American National
Standards Instituteï¿½s (ANSI) keyboard standard committee. In addition, he
worked for the prestigious NASAï¿½s Jet Propulsion Laboratory for ten years
starting with the Space Station Project, editing and publishing the satellite
communications technical journal SATCOM Quarterly, working with the flight
project mission operations office, publishing the Labï¿½s ï¿½strategic visionï¿½ for
future information systems, working with JPLï¿½s Intelligent Vehicle Highway
System, and finishing as a software and process engineer for the JIT material
Q: Randy, with your long unparalleled
career of considerable successes, we are so fortunate to have you do this
interview. Thank you for making time out of your very tight schedule to share
your valued insights with our audience.
A: You bet. I thought you did a very
thorough job in our first chat, so Iï¿½m interested to see what new questions
youï¿½ve come up with!
Q: Share two life-changing events from your
paramedic and law enforcement days that continue to shape your views today and
A: There was no single event, but the
entire experience shaped me greatly. I was able to see that when people are in
crisis, there is very little qualitative difference between rich and poor,
black and white, American- or foreign-born, or any other factor people like to
use to shoehorn others into categories. We all have the same basic feelings,
the same basic needs, the same basic reactions to being hurt, lost, or simply
facing tragedy. And we all have the same basic joy of coming out on the other
side of it OK. My emergency services experiences taught me how people react
under stress, what people are really like when they let their guard down, and
what things different kinds of people consider important. It was very
eye-opening to me, and it taught me a lot about the ï¿½human conditionï¿½ that
still figures into my work today.
Q: What was your top challenge in starting
your own business?
A: The hardest thing for me was making the
leap in the first place. I had a very good and stimulating job at NASAï¿½s Jet
Propulsion Lab, and as someone very interested in space and astronomy thereï¿½s
pretty much no better place to work. I had been there for 10 years and had
worked up to a pretty darned good position and salary. My work was starting to
get noticed by the higher-ups, and it was clear that I could move up to a very
good, perhaps life-long, career there. But a few things gnawed at me: I really,
really hated living in Los Angeles. I really, really wanted to do more
creative, non-technical work. And I really wanted to work for myself.
Work on True
necessarily overlapped work at JPL for awhile since True couldnï¿½t support me until I ramped it up. Iï¿½d come home from
work, boot my computer, and go back to work. My business plan projected that
Iï¿½d be able to quit JPL after two years to concentrate on True full time. And it worked out exactly that way: I quit JPL two
years later almost to the day, but it was very hard to do. I was quitting a
good job with amazing colleagues and with a good salary and excellent promotion
potential. (Read: ï¿½secureï¿½!) And I was throwing it away. Was I insane?
It was very scary to do, but I knew I had
to take the plunge. In order to ensure I wasnï¿½t tempted to go back to the
security of JPL, I moved to Colorado. I arrived at my new apartment on July 4,
Independence Day! Living 1,000 miles away removed any temptation to return to
the security of JPL. And it worked: by any measure ï¿½ job satisfaction,
recognition, money, work environment, where I live, anything ï¿½ my work life and
personal life are hugely better. But taking the chance, leaving the comfortable
security of a Day Job to be my own boss, was incredibly frightening. Even
today, after 10 years, I still have dreams that I have returned to JPL
ï¿½temporarilyï¿½ to work on a project, and when I wake up I smile about it. But I
definitely donï¿½t think I should have done anything differently.
Q: You have been online since 1982 and have
several highly successful ventures with record revenues even during the dot com
meltdown years. Can you comment on these businesses and their growing appeal
worldwide? What new challenges are youï¿½re facing and how are you resolving them
since we last talked?
A: Iï¿½ve only had one down year since I
starting my online businesses in 1994, and that was 2003; even the worst of the
meltdown years, 2001 and 2002, were up years for me. Why 2003? The recession. I
presume that shows pretty nicely that I didnï¿½t depend on riding the wave of
venture-capital-funded madness. Happily, 2004 was up again.
Still, things change. Advertising is
getting more important, and Googleï¿½s Adwords/Adsense program is in the driverï¿½s
seat. Google has a terrific lead in this sector, so you can be sure other
companies are going to go after some of that money pile. MSN and Yahoo have the
power to do it, but I think the big contender will be someone most havenï¿½t
heard of yet. Itï¿½ll be interesting to see who it turns out to be.
So yes, people like me can face challenges
in this ever-changing environment. I deal with it by not assuming my business
models donï¿½t have to change when everything else around me is changing ï¿½ which
would be a sure recipe for failure. So Iï¿½m adapting as I see things change. To
see things change, you have to keep your eyes open. And so far, so good: I
project another up year this year.
Q: You have a highly anticipated book to be
released soon. What prompted you to write the book?
A: Thatï¿½s probably a good example of
keeping my eyes open and my business model flexible. I consider my This is True
work to be ï¿½evergreenï¿½ ï¿½ in
general it will probably be as fun to read in 20 years as it is today. I was
content to publish the book compilations myself, letting them sell slowly over
the years as people discovered the work and came back to look at what came
before. That has worked very nicely; even in this ï¿½I donï¿½t read booksï¿½ world I
sell thousands per year.
But my newer site, the True Stella Awards (TSA), is different: it was designed to provoke public discourse about a problem
thatï¿½s getting to urgent proportions: the abuse of the civil court system. I
think the cases I write about are quite interesting, even entertaining, but
they wonï¿½t be as fun to read in 20 years; by then, the problem will either be
solved or much worse, and whatï¿½s deemed ï¿½ridiculousï¿½ today will pale by
comparison to whatï¿½s going on then. Thus, self-publishing a book based on the
site is not the best idea: you want a ï¿½bigï¿½ book thatï¿½s promoted in a big way
by someone who can sell a lot of copies in a short amount of time so that itï¿½s
available as the public discourse heats up. That takes a big publisher, not a
guy working out of a spare room in his house. So my book ï¿½The True Stella
Awardsï¿½ comes out just before the 2005 Christmas season, published by Dutton,
an imprint of book giant Penguin. Thatï¿½s about as big as you can get, and Iï¿½m
sure theyï¿½ll be very successful with it.
Q: Can you share any interesting or surprising stories about it?
A: You know I can! Whatï¿½s interesting is
that I didnï¿½t go and knock on publishersï¿½ doors to try to get this book
published. Instead, publishers and literary agents came to me. I established a
reputation with This is True with
quality writing, fun stories, and a unique way of looking at the world and
expressing what I found. So when I announced the True Stella Awards, it gained
a lot of attention quickly. And since it was addressing a large and growing
problem in society, they immediately saw book potential. ï¿½Bigï¿½ book potential.
Which amuses me, since when I wrote the business plan for TSA I specifically
noted that the resulting book should be shopped out to a big publisher, and not
published in-house. I was almost right: I didnï¿½t have to shop it out since they
came to me. We played right into each otherï¿½s hands. The lesson other site
owners can take from this: quality really, really counts. Plus, you never know
who is out there, reading your stuff!
Q: With HeroicStories, a spin-off from the
ï¿½Honorary Unsubscribeï¿½ in True, you
shared stories about people who have a huge impact on our lives though they may
be unknown [for example, Reynold Johnson who invented the hard disk, video tape
mechanism, and bubble test forms:
http://www.honoraryunsubscribe.com/reynold_b._johnson.html]. In 2003 you turned
HeroicStories over to another publisher to devote more time to TSA. Can you
update us on your involvement and how do you see them evolvingï¿½both HeroicStories
A: As I noted, TSA has a limited life. Itï¿½s
interesting and fun now, but probably wonï¿½t be as fun 10 or 20 years out. I
tend to be a long-term thinker, and Iï¿½ve found TSA to be a nice diversion, but
I think it will die a natural death after a book or three. And thatï¿½s fine; by
then Iï¿½ll be ready to either start something else, or relax more. HeroicStories
is more ï¿½evergreenï¿½ ï¿½ the stories are timeless. Itï¿½s really, really hard to
sell ï¿½good newsï¿½, but it does have a devoted following. The ï¿½Chicken Soupï¿½ guys
had their book rejected by what, 250 publishers? That proved how hard it is to
sell ï¿½good news,ï¿½ but they also proved that there is a hunger out there for
good stuff, even if it is upbeat and thoughtful. I still have hopes that HeroicStories
will take off in a big way. Itï¿½s hard to say what will get it to the ï¿½tipping
pointï¿½ that makes it go big, but I hope it happens, even though Iï¿½m not
involved with it anymore; thereï¿½s a need for the underlying message it has.
Q: How have your This is True stories evolved over the years? Is there shift in what
was appealing in past years versus today? How do cultural differences influence
story interest? What themes are universal?
A: Interesting question. I think the whole
ï¿½human interestï¿½ category is universal. True
has always been news commentary, but over the years Iï¿½ve realized that itï¿½s
really more than that: Itï¿½s social commentary. By seeing the infinite variety
of stupid things humans are capable of, we start to realize that we can all be
stupid sometimes. On the flip side, we gain comfort in the realization that we
rarely do things as stupid as the people I feature!
But it goes deeper than that: over time, my
readers start to realize that things they see all the time in real life are
just as stupid, and they start to demand better. A good example is my stories
on ï¿½zero toleranceï¿½ in schools perpetrated by people we pay, often very highly,
with our tax dollars. And theyï¿½re perpetrating their outrageously stupid acts
on what we consider our most precious resource: our children. First they see
story after story in True, and sure
enough they then see one happen in their own town, or in the school their kid
goes to. Or, sadly, to their own child. They understand itï¿½s not an ï¿½isolated
incidentï¿½ but part of a huge pattern. They understand itï¿½s within their power
to say ï¿½this is not right!ï¿½ and that they can demand that things change. Yes, True is meant to be entertaining, but
Iï¿½m starting to see people say ï¿½No!ï¿½ more and more to stupidity, and demand better.
Simple, entertaining human interest stories can change the world; Iï¿½m watching
So while Iï¿½m not really seeing any shift in
whatï¿½s appealing to my readers, Iï¿½m seeing a shift in what I write about. Itï¿½s
just as entertaining, but Iï¿½m finding it more rewarding and, I think, the
readers are finding it more interesting. When I first started True, I wondered how long I could
comment on every story I wrote. Would I get bored? Run out of things to say? I
just finished my eleventh year of writing True,
and Iï¿½m definitely not bored, and am rarely at a loss for words. And the best
part is, my readers still say they love it.
Q: You founded a number of widely followed
micro-sites such as ï¿½Get Out Of Hell Freeï¿½ (GOOHF.com) and Spam Primer
(SpamPrimer.com). Any further plans, new sites, and what impact do you wish to
A: Iï¿½ve already added more sites since we
last talked. Because Iï¿½m a humor writer and because I have a lot of friends, I
get a lot of jokes sent to me by e-mail. Yes, I know everyone gets jokes by
e-mail, but I get a lot more. I used to send them out to my friends --- hey,
itï¿½s the real meaning of e-mail, right? But now, I clean up their formatting,
maybe apply some subtle edits to smooth them out, and post them on the web at www.JumboJoke.com instead. Trueï¿½s very popular ï¿½Honorary
Unsubscribeï¿½ feature has resulted in hundreds of brief write-ups about
interesting people; theyï¿½re now posted on the web at www.HonoraryUnsubscribe.com.
Another True feature, the ï¿½Bonzer Web
Site of the Weekï¿½, is a treasure trove of interesting places to go online.
Theyï¿½re now archived at http://www.BonzerSites.com,
Last, and this is in the category of being open to changes in my business
model, Iï¿½ve started to post the archives of This
is True on the True web site,
since I know not everyone wants to read stuff in books. For those who do, and
hate to read lots of text from a screen, I have books. For those who donï¿½t like
books and prefer to read off the screen, Iï¿½m now accommodating them, too. I
think itï¿½s the best of both worlds. Itï¿½s at www.thisistrue.com/archive.html.
Q: For those who want to write, having
diverse interests and education is important and so is writing and more
writing. What key attributes led to your writing success?
A: Without going back to see what I said
the first time we talked, paying attention to quality cannot possibly be
overstressed. There is a lot of competition online, pretty much no matter what
field you choose to concentrate on. Mine, widely, is ï¿½weird newsï¿½. Is there
competition in the ï¿½weird newsï¿½ sector? You bet! When someone goes to a
competitor and finds poorly written garbage, and they compare it to True, who do you think theyï¿½re going to
Second, paying attention to the audienceï¿½s
needs is important. If you go to my sites you wonï¿½t find ads that flash in your
face demanding attention, and you wonï¿½t see pop-up/under ads. I could make a
lot of money from those since I have a lot of traffic. But people hate them ï¿½
donï¿½t you? I sure do. I may be giving up some short-term income, but having a
fun site that doesnï¿½t irritate you probably means youï¿½ll bookmark it and come
back later, which may lead to long-term income growth. Heck, maybe I even make
more money in the long run. Itï¿½d sure make an interesting case study!
(Another example of paying attention to
audience needs: my offering my archives in both book and online form. So much
of this stuff is interconnected.)
And, as you point out, having diverse
interests and education helps. I would not be anywhere near as good a writer
without my emergency services experience, or my college education, or if I hadnï¿½t
read as many different things that I have (fiction, non-fiction, even
screenplays). And of course just sitting down and writing a lot; experience
doesnï¿½t just make your writing better, it makes it easier.
And, letï¿½s be honest, a little good luck
helps too. Iï¿½ve had plenty.
Q: Since we first chatted in 2003, a lot
has transpired within Information Technology, the Internet and business. Open
Source has gained tremendous ground including with many major vendors, IBM has
spun off their PC division to a China-based company, Google is achieving record
revenues and their stock has soared, world economies have shifted with China
gaining considerable press. You have the well-deserved reputation of
understanding these complex events and their interplay today and into the
future. So, give us your predictions and opinions of the top future events that
will shape our world. Why are they important to business, IT professionals, and
A: Open source is easy to explain: those
major vendors paid attention to their customersï¿½ needs. Why has Google soared?
Because theyï¿½re the best at what they do. Why did IBM falter? Because they
didnï¿½t stand out as worth the higher price they charged over their competitors.
The bottom line in all of this: quality. People are fickle: they say they want
quality, but they then go out and shop by price ï¿½ and very often end up
disappointed. Iï¿½ve always stressed quality, and good customer service, and I
think that will get more and more important as time goes on. People are sick and
tired of garbage, of products that donï¿½t work, of customer service that sucks.
They learn that buying on price alone is false economy.
Dell is moving a significant portion of their tech support back to the U.S.
from India. Why? Because their tech support was starting to be a joke, rather
than an example of high-quality, excellent customer service. And very
importantly, it was affecting their bottom line; despite having significantly
better prices than, say, IBM, they were losing sales, despite the quality of
their hardware. Ah, but if they could offer good merchandise at good prices and
back it with good customer service? What do you think that would be worth? The
answer: it will help Dell stay in the Number One position if they pull it off
right. And I think they will. If they donï¿½t, theyï¿½ll deserve to die and someone
else will do it instead.
Itï¿½s going to be a tough future. Companies
like to salivate over China: ï¿½A billion new customers!ï¿½ Sure; thatï¿½s one way to
look at it. Try this on for size: ï¿½A billion new low-cost competitors!ï¿½ Want to
update your sales projections now? So how does a company compete in that scary
new world? By paying attention to what the customer wants and needs. Price is
important, but itï¿½s far from the only thing they need to pay attention to. Just
ask ï¿½Toys ï¿½Rï¿½ Usï¿½!
Q: What are your views on blogs, and
Internet syndication technologies? What will Internet communities and user
interchange look like in 2010? How will you get involved?
A: I donï¿½t get all misty-eyed about it. RSS
feeds can be useful ï¿½ and True has
had one since before most people knew what it was. But ï¿½allï¿½ it is is a
different way of getting at the content thatï¿½s already there. What good is an
RSS feed of garbage? The product is whatï¿½s important; once you have that in
place in appropriate quality, only then is the delivery mechanism important. I
really donï¿½t see a whole lot changing between now and 2010.ï¿½ RSS will be better, easier to use, and thus
more important. But people will still be using e-mail and web sites. And there
will be a surprise: something new will pop up. Anyone who really figures out
what it is five years in advance will get very rich.
Q: You have hard-won expertise accumulated
over 25 years of actually ï¿½doing it.ï¿½ Your phenomenal success is a validation
of your experience. Will you increase your consulting work and if so which
areas do you favour and why?
A: Probably not. I love my writing and
publishing work, and the positive effect my work is having on the world is
important to me. I want to continue doing it, and trading away the time to do
other things doesnï¿½t attract me. Sometimes consulting work interesting and
challenging, and Iï¿½ll do it if I like what the company is doing -- I donï¿½t say
ï¿½never!ï¿½, but neither do I seek such work.
Q: Let us turn it around and get you to ask
the questions ï¿½ there really is no one better. If you were doing this
interview, what three questions would you ask of someone in your position and
what would be your answers?
A: Q1: Whatï¿½s the most important factor that
makes the Internet so powerful?
A1: In the old days, people talked about
ï¿½the power of the pressï¿½ ï¿½ newspapers and (later) television had real power to
shape public thought and perception. And, not incidentally, to make a lot of
money. The problem was, it was very expensive to get into the newspaper or TV
business to grab some of that power. Not anymore: the Internet is the
press, and will increasingly be ï¿½TVï¿½ too. Itï¿½s no longer expensive; in fact,
itï¿½s incredibly cheap to get online and become part of ï¿½the pressï¿½ and have a
powerful voice. Thereï¿½s a lot of competition for attention, of course, since
everyone else is starting to realize this too, but you can stand out by having
something important to say and saying it well (thereï¿½s that idea of
Q2: Is it too late to get started and ï¿½make
A2: Definitely not. If you have something
interesting to say, can say it in a new way, work very hard and exercise
patience, you can definitely meet your goals, whether itï¿½s income, getting an
opinion aired, or getting attention of people who will want to hire you.
Q3: Then is it easy to get online and make
a small fortune? Should I quit my day job?
A3: Definitely not. It takes a lot of work
to run a business, and publishing online is very definitely a business-like
thing to do, especially if you do it well. I work about 70 hours a week. I
donï¿½t mind that because it does pay off for me, and I truly love my work. I can
see that Iï¿½m having an effect on the world. Thatï¿½s not bad. But I knew what I
was getting into when I pulled the plug on my day job, and others should
similarly go into it with their eyes open. Itï¿½s hard, but itï¿½s satisfying.
Q: Randy, you continue to be an innovative
force in a dynamic space initiating change worldwide. We thank you for your
many contributions to history and for the many thoughtful insights you have
shared with our audience.
A: My pleasure. Iï¿½ll chat with you again in
a few years!